Usually the managers answer is the same---''yes HTA is in compliance with the 80/20 HUD rule''.--- ''If residents see someone that they do not think is residents living in here--they should contact the office''
On Tuesday May 26-- Fairways Watch sent the Email below to the community manager.
THE RESIDENTS NAME HAS BEEN WITHHELD
Priscilla Herrick ~ Community Manager ~ Hometown America
Fairways Country Club
14205 E. Colonial Drive, Orlando FL 32826
P: 407.273.2360 ~ F: 312.205.1239 ~ C: 407.770.9016
www.HometownAmerica.com e: pherrick@hometownamerica.com
From: Bill Heldreth [mailto:fairwayswatch@yahoo.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 1:52 PM
To: Priscilla Herrick
Subject: MR --- IS AT IT AGAIN!
Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 1:52 PM
To: Priscilla Herrick
Subject: MR --- IS AT IT AGAIN!
I GOT A CALL FROM A RESIDENT THIS AM --THEY SAID THAT THEY ENCOUNTERED 2 YOUNG PEOPLE. AIMLESSLY RIDING BICYCLES ALL AROUND FIRESTONE ST. THE RESIDENT ASKED THEM IF THEY LIVED HERE. THEY SAID--YES-- THEY LIVED AT 1818 TORREY PINES CT. [ MR ---,S ADDRESS]. THEY WOULD NOT GIVE THEIR NAMES,---BUT SAID TO CALL YOU!
I WENT TO THE AREA--- AND THEY WERE JUST GOING IN TO 1818.---I TRIED TO GET PICTURE BUT THEY GOT INTO THE HOUSE BEFORE I COULD GET PHOTO . THE MALE IS TALL MUSCULAR--EST 25-30 YRS OLD .--THE FEMALE IS PROBABLY AROUND THE SAME AGE.---SHE CARRIES A LARGE PURSE ON HER BIKE..
Shortly after sending the Email, I received the reply below.
Bill – these two young people are registered to live with Mr.----
Below are some photo's
that demonstrate our
concern about the
Torrey Pines area.
2 drunken Young females crawling
in Torrey Pines Ct very early
on a Sunday
on a Sunday
morning--2013 --911 was called!
2 OCSO units dispatched
to protect 2 EMS units
2015
to protect 2 EMS units
2015
Unknown ''visitor'' waiting on
ride from Torrey Pines--2015
ride from Torrey Pines--2015
11 comments:
I called the office about 3 young males (about 17 or 18) driving at night, on Spyglass Street. These boys were driving an older white Olsmobile sedan. They were speeding and pulled into 14312 SPYGLASS STREET. I know, one is the grandson of the resident, the others, I cant say. He drives this car all times of the day and night. I wonder if he is registered, and if is over the age of 18. Should I have bothered to call, or is this another LOST CAUSE?
I was told the 20% was for people taking care of older relatives
RE 4;28
Go back and see my post, several days ago''challenge s at the gate at night''--the picture of the young man on the bike is the same one you described.---I went to the 14312 address and had a confrontation with him and his ''grand ma''
I then notified Priscilla and she said that she was sending--A LETTER OF VIOLATION''----BOY O BOY I BET THAT SCARES THE HELL OUT OF THEM!
PLEASE,continue to call the office with any suspicious people or activities you see. Also,contact Bill or myself and I promise we will follow up. With all the accountability we are trying to put in place, these things and unregistered people who fall thru the cracks can be accounted for and followed up on. That's what our "Neighborhood Watch and Patrol" is all about.
P.S. Bill and I will be having an organizational meeting and plan of attack later this week so all of you who have sent in your names as wanting to be active will have a definate idea of how you an help. We will lay it all out and let you know about our first big get together soon to follow. Thanks for your support!
Sorry Bill it is a lost cause,to little to late.
I have seen the man waiting for a ride many times at this address and asked where he lived and a woman came out of that address and said he lived there
come on people it is not a lost cause!!!!! Do not give up or go hide with blinders on!!!!
There seems to be a lot of misunderstanding about the 80/20 rule. The 80/20 rule requires that at least 80% of the units in a community be occupied by at least one person over 55. The other 20% of the residences can be occupied by anyone. As long as one person in the residence is over 55 the other residents do not have to be. I was not yet 55 when we moved to Fairways but my husband was so our home was included in the 80% even though I was "under age." If HTA wants to allow these residents to have their adult children or grandchildren live with them they are not violating the HOPA law as far as I can see. I do not have my copy of the rules that we received from HTA handy right now but I thought there was something in there about a maximum of three persons per residence. There may also be other rules that apply to younger persons.
For a brief overview of the 80/20 rule: http://www.floridacondohoalawblog.com/2010/04/articles/fair-housing/55-over-housing-what-is-the-8020-rule/
Charlotte Grabowski
actually, according to the official HUD rules---the other 20% is set aside for "caregivers" of those that ARE 55+ in the event they pass and leave the residence to their children who were their care givers. It IS NOT OPEN season to just rent them to whoever HTA wishes to, according to the Govt for the 20%!
Fred, you're totally upside down on that one.
Caregivers, no matter their age, are, in fact, exempt from the 80/20 census.
Now, I know that it is a chore to read the entire HOPA Act.
In lieu of that, and in the name of accuracy, a good reference is the HOPA question and answer page - http://www.hud.gov/offices/fheo/library/hopa95.pdf
The upside - you'll find plenty of other ammo there to aid you in hitting the target at which you aim.
Question 20
How should a housing provider count, for the purpose of meeting the 80/20 occupancy requirement, attendants or health care providers needed for the reasonable accommodation of the disability of an occupant (including family members under the age of 18)?
Answer
The attendant or health care provider or family care provider is excluded from the calculation in its entirety. This is true whether the live-in person resides in the same unit with the disabled occupant or in a separate unit. Neither circumstance adversely affects the exemption of the housing facility/community.
I was talking about AFTER the person being cared for passed away---not during the care giving process-----Stand corrected
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